The utilization of fur in sustainable fashion

Christine Tsui Fashion Community Group Discussion

The Utilization of Fur in Sustainable Fashion

 

Date:01/05/2018

Time: 8pm to 10pm

Host by Midori-shanghai-designer

Pisces, a post-90s designer with mild obsessive-compulsive disorder, has a strong executive power and a combination of care and patience. Three years local brand designer experience, in the design has its own preference and opinion.

 The outline of discussion:

 

1.  Definition of fur.

1.1What is fur? (10 min)

1.2 Production of genuine fur (20min)

2. The application of fur in the clothing industry.

2.1 What kind of clothes does fur usually make? (20 min)

2.2 How to maintain the clothing of fur? (20 min)

3. The application of fur in society.

3.1 Since the application of dermis involves the killing of animals, how do you think about this problem? 30 (mim)

4. How to get fur into sustainable fashion (30min)

 

Forward

In the fashion industry, the use of animal fur has been controversial. In recent years, many luxury brands have launched calls to reject the use of fur. In addition to the cruelty with which animal fur is used, Will it still have a place in the fashion industry? How to use fur to develop in the field of sustainable fashion?

 

PART ONE: Definition of Fur

 

1. What is fur? 

Fur is the hair covering of non-human (and some human furry) mammals, particularly those mammals with extensive body hair that is soft and thick. The stiffer bristles on animals such as pigs are not generally referred to as fur.

 

The discussion is as follows:

 

Midori-shanghai-designer

What is fur?(10min)

Midori-shanghai-designer

By nature

Midori-shanghai-designer

like this

(pictures come from the web)

Midori-shanghai-designer

Fur is also used to refer to animal pelts which has been processed into leather with the hair still attached. The words fur or furry are also used, more casually, to refer to hair-like growths or formations, particularly When the subject is referred to exhibits a dense coat of fine, soft “hairs”.

Midori-shanghai-designer

If layered, rather than grown as a single coat, it may consist of short down hairs, long guard hairs, and in some cases, medium awn hairs.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Ok,that is very complex

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Very detailed

Midori-shanghai-designer

Our topic Fur refers to the use of animal fur made of clothing ,has a warm effect.

Yohanna

Now many brands use artificial fur

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Seems that any fur could be made into cloth?

Midori-shanghai-designer

and now the fur is more beautiful and higher prices are also many consumers. Animals such as foxes, rex rabbits , and sheep are all major sources of raw materials for fur.

 

2. Production of Genuine Fur 

There are many kinds of fur classification methods, which can be divided in to early maturity, middle maturity, late maturity and most advanced maturity according to the mature period of the hair.

 

The discussion is as follows: 

 

Midori-shanghai-designer

Fur clothing was first worn during the fourteenth to seventh and is a symbolic garment in European History

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Means how old the animal is when you kill it?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer  cool

Midori-shanghai-designer

So we’ll sort it out according to the way the hair is treated.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

But I will say human like native Indians, Vikings ,and other wear fur for sake of keeping warm .

Midori-shanghai-designer

What kind of fur do you know ?

Midori-shanghai-designer

The need for warmth.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

How is it with the maturity?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I’m interested

Midori-shanghai-designer

No , we’re not talking about skin removal.

Midori-shanghai-designer

According to the processing methods, they can be classified into the tanned, dyeing and finishing classes, shearing Class.

  • According to the appearance characteristics can be divided into thick fur, represented by fox skin; medium-thick fur, represented by molting; thin fur, represented by Persian lambskin.
  • It is more commonly used by people to classify them by the fur and the cortex of the raw material.
  • Small hairy skins: mainly include purple mink, chinchilla (Chrysanthemum, also known as Chrysanthemum) mink skin, mink skin, sea dragon skin, snow fleas, yellow skin, AI tiger skin, chin rat skin, silver skin, Musk skin, beaver skin, raccoon skin, etc.,
  • hair is thin and soft. Suitable for hair caps, coats and so on. Large capillary class: mainly including foxes, raccoon skins, tanned skins, raccoon skins, and raccoon skins. Larger picture. It is often used to make hats, coats, capes, etc.
  • Rough fur: Commonly used sheepskin, dog skin, wolf skin, leopard skin, marmot skin and so on. The hair length and width are slightly larger. Can be used to make hats, coats, vests, clothes, etc.
  • Miscellaneous fur: including cat skin, rabbit skin, etc., suitable for clothing accessories, the price is lower.

Midori-shanghai-designer

That’s my classification of the leather used in clothing.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Do you have another question of fur?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Do you have some pictures ?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Seadragon skin for example…I can’t really imagine how it looks like

Midori-shanghai-designer

the picture is from sinaweibo

Midori-shanghai-designer

This is Seadragon

 Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

or around the hood  @Alena~Shanghai~AGL damn…how do they hunt these guys down

 Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I guess it is the same like seals

Midori-shanghai-designer

Seadog skin, commonly known as “sea dragon skin”@Alena~Shanghai~AGL

 Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I had no idea they are used for fur to be honest.

 Midori-shanghai-designer

So the use of real leather is cruel.

 

PART TWO: The Application of Fur in Garment Industry 

 

1. What kind of clothes does fur usually make? 

Animal fur is often made into shoes, bags, accessories, coats, sweaters, down jackets, and other clothing. Commonly used are mink hair, rabbit hair, fox hair, wool, hippocampal hair, cattle skin, sheep skin, pig skin, etc.

 

 The discussion is as follows:

 

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

It doesn’t have anything to do with staying warm as they have been other materials invented

Midori-shanghai-designer

Let’s take a look at the history of fur use.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Fur clothing was first worn during the fourteenth to seventh century and is a symbolic garment in European History. The kings and queens of England ordered proclamations to regulate fur aka “sumptuary legislation”.

  • Sumptuary legislation established the stigmatism of Fur association limited to the higher social statuses and convey the idea of exclusivity.
  • Exotic furs such as fox, marten, grey squirrel and ermine were reserved for aristocratic elites. The middle class were known to wear fox, hare and beaver while the less fortunate wore Goat, wolf and sheepskin. Due to clothing being loose and garments were known to be layered, fur was used for visible linings. Different kinds of fur were worn during seasons and social classes. Animals with fur decreased in West Europe and began to be Imported from the Middle East and Russia

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

So it is a historical issue right

Midori-shanghai-designer

The fur at first was used as clothing for the royal family.

 Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Because of its scarcity?

Midori-shanghai-designer

So only noble people wear fur.

 Sailinli-Beijing-Researcher

In ancient China fur was also graded.

Enya.Y-Shanghai-PJ

Represent the power.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Because of the natural warmth of fur and the complexity of making clothes.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Of course ,in ancient hunting ,the fur of a hunted animal was worn as a symbol of victory.

Midori-shanghai-designer

@Enya.Y-Shanghai-PJ   A little symbol of power.

 Midori-shanghai-designer

As new kinds of fur entered Europe, other uses were made with fur other than clothing. Beaver was most desired but used to make hats which became a popular headpiece particularly during the wartime. Swedish soldier wore broad-brimmed hats made exclusive from beaver felt. Due to the limitations of beaver fur, hat-makers relied heavily on North America for imports as beaver was only available in the Scandinavian peninsula.

Midori-shanghai-designer

this is beaver

Enya.Y-Shanghai-PJ

So Cruel

Midori-shanghai-designer

The twentieth century was the beginning of the fur coats being fashionable in West Europe with full fur coats. With lifestyle changes as a result of developments like indoor heating, the international textile trade Affected how fur was distributed around the world. Europeans focused on using local resources giving fur association with femininity with the increasing use of mink. In 1970, Germany was the world’s largest fur market. The International Fur Trade Federation banned endangering species furs like silk monkey, ocelot, leopard, tiger, and polar bear in 1975. The use of animal skins were brought to light during the 1980s by animal right organizations and the demand for fur decreased. Anti-fur organizations increased awareness of the controversy between animal welfare and fashion. Fur farming became banned in Britain in 1999. During the twenty-first century, fox and mink have been bred in captivity with Denmark, Holland and Finland being leaders of mink production.

 

Midori-shanghai-designer

In addition to the fur applications mentioned above,do you know of other fur applications?

Midori-shanghai-designer

Now there are wool,fox hair are used to make cloth.

Midori-shanghai-designer

These furs are usually used in sweater ,sand down jackets.

 

2. How to maintain the clothing of fur? 

 

When placed indoors, for fur clothes:

a. It is best to hang in a dark, low temperature, well ventilated, dry environment.

b. Fur garments should be hung on special hangers with high-necked, wide-shouldered shoulders, and covered with a silk cover, and stored in a closet with air circulation.

c. There should be at least 6 cm space between the fur and other clothes to allow the fur to “breathe”.

d. Do not contaminate fur with other chemicals.5. In the summer, special attention should be paid to avoid high temperature and humidity and insect ant damage.

 

High-grade fur cleaning (mink skin).

Washing powder: Magnesium oxide powder, talcum powder ratio 1:1

Washing method: Spread the fur on the wash case, evenly rub the quilt with a sponge duster, wipe the special soiled part repeatedly, stand for 24 hours, clean the hair powder with a brush, and then put the fur on the portrait on the air mold, the powder was blown clean with an air spray gun, and the hair was straightened with a fine-tooth comb.

 

Ordinary fur cleaning (sheep skin).

Washing solvent: 95% alcohol Common dose: Alcohol 200-250ml

Washing powder: Talc powder Common dosage: Talc 500-1000g

Washing method: Put the fur on the figure air mold, spray the alcohol solvent evenly onto the blanket with an air spray gun, repeatedly rub the hair quilt with a sponge duster, supplement with a gentle rubbing, sweep the hair with a brush Powder, and then use air spray gun to clean the powder, with a sparse comb to the hair to be straight forward to clear the finishing.

 

White plush yellowing treatment.

Washing solution: hydrogen peroxide, water ratio 1:10

Washing method: Put the fur on the figure air mold, spray the solution evenly onto the blanket with an air spray gun, fully wet for 5 minutes, gently brush with a short-haired brushing solution from top to bottom, and finally use a water spray gun to coat the hair. Rinse thoroughly, place in a cool, dry place, and clean the hair in a straight line.

 

The discussion is as follows:

 

Midori-shanghai-designer

Do you know how to tell a hairy garment?

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

By burning?

Midori-shanghai-designer

Then smell it~

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Just like distinct different fabrics ,does different fur has different smell?

Midori-shanghai-designer

Because there is a lot of wool-like clothing now , it’s not realistic to burn it alone , for the general public.

Midori-shanghai-designer

True wool contains a lot of protein ,and a few fibers are ignited on the clothes . Smell the scent .Look at the ash .If there is a charred scent ,the ash is crushed with a finger ,that is pure wool ;if there is no smell of charred feathers ,Ash pressure is not broken ,ag glomeration , it is chemical fiber fabrics. @Heather-Wuhan-AGL

 

PART THREE: The Application of Fur in Society

1. Since the application of dermis involves the killing of animals, how do you think about this problem? 

Fur used a lot of chemicals in the production process for degreasing and cleaning, such as formaldehyde. Damage to the surrounding water quality and the environment. This is contrary to the current concept of low-carbon environmental protection.

Some people have suggested that “for a piece of clothing, whether or not animals should be given a cruel price,” so-called no-buy, no harm, how consumers should take action?

 

The discussion is as follows:

 

Midori-shanghai-designer

Some people indiscriminately kill wild animals in the drive of their interests, leaving some rare wild animals on the verge of extinction,anyone agree that?

Midori-shanghai-designer

With the increase of human morality and civilization, the concept of environmental protection has received more and more attention. Fur and environmental protection have become the subject of constant controversy. What do you think?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

sustainable sourcing

 Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

can real fur sourcing be ethical and sustainable?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Well I guess everybody agree

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

As long as it means killing a living creature

Midori-shanghai-designer

also,fur used a lot of chemicals in the production process for degreasing and cleaning, such as formaldehyde. Damage to the surrounding water quality and the environment. This is contrary to the current concept of low-carbon environmental protection.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

fur has been part of humanity society since early homo sapiens.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

And there have been so many leaked videos about the conditions of the animals.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

so no real fur will be change of our mindset

Midori-shanghai-designer

Besides, if you don’t have real fur, will you be wearing fur imitation clothes?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Yes, but back then the fur was used for survival reasons

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

keep warmth

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Yes

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

fur is excellent on this

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Of course

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

like duck or Goose down

 Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

also wool is a superior fiber

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

But aren’t other materials now very good in keeping us warm as well?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

not as good

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

down is breathable

Midori-shanghai-designer

But will the production of imitation fur also cause pollution to the environment?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Yes it will

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Now there is a question what is better

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

In terms of protecting the environment

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

all those polyester based padding doesnt breath so well and not easy to have same level of warmth but technology is improving

Midori-shanghai-designer

Some people have suggested that “for a piece of clothing, whether or not animals should be given a cruel price,” so-called no-buy, no harm, how consumers should take action.

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

It depends much on consumers’ attitude

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

we should focus on low impact on the environment and longevity of the product

 Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

So , whatever we do we impact the environment as little as possible for sustainable living for mankind @Alena~Shanghai~AGL reused

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Can fur be recycled?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

for sure

 Midori-shanghai-designer

So, in recent years, many brands have called for a boycott of fur. Does this work?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer when u boycott . somebody somewhere may Lose their job

 

PART FOUR: How to get fur into sustainable fashion

 

a. Finding new ways to produce textiles 

b. Natural furs from wild hunting and farming are sustainable

 

The discussion is as follows:

 

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

everyone do their part… step by step approach

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

reuse old fur

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

yes,especially farm consumers,every one of us

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

use fur that related to food industry?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

You use the fur of the animals that is used for food industry…

Midori-shanghai-designer

Finding new ways to produce textiles

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Also an option

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Alena~Shanghai~AGL yea that can have lower impact

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

True

 Midori-shanghai-designer

Different ways of producing and processing materials means that they have different effects on the environment. As we all know, there are risks in the production of petroleum compounds, such as the pollution from the chemical refining process to the toxic chemicals emitted during the production of chemical fiber fabrics. However, there are deficiencies in each fabric, including organic fabrics. For example, traditional methods of cotton cultivation use large amounts of water, synthetic fertilizers, and pesticides, which also destroy the habitat of wild animals. In the case of agricultural farming, waste treatment also needs to be considered. Another consideration is the environmental impact of raw materials and garments. Clothing entirely produced and sold locally has less impact on the environment than garments produced and sold in multiple locations, such as the production of chemical fiber garments, oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, processing into fabrics in China, sewing in Vietnam, and then selling in Europe.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

But there wouldn’t be sufficient supply

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

price would go up and more pepole would enter

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

And there we go again

Midori-shanghai-designer

sorry,this is too long

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

There should be only a law enforcement

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

and may lead to more animal getting killed

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Viciouscircl

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Circle

Midori-shanghai-designer

Some people think that farmed fur is also environmentally friendly

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

sustainable living for mankind and sustainable economic growth

Midori-shanghai-designer

Materials can be divided into two categories: organic materials (plants and animals) and inorganic materials (coal, petroleum, ore, etc.).

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I just wish there weren’t those Russian fur farms where the skin the animals alive and leave them to die

Midori-shanghai-designer

Organic materials are sustainable because they can be regenerated; plants and animals can continue to grow and can be continuously replenished. Common in clothing are cotton, linen, bamboo, wool, natural fur, down and leather. Inorganic materials are not sustainable because they cannot be regenerated; once they are consumed, they really disappear, unless more inorganic materials can be found. Important inorganic materials used in chemical fiber clothing are synthesized from petroleum such as acrylic and polyester.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer goes back to sustainable farming

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

controlled forest

Midori-shanghai-designer

Natural fur farming, like other animal husbandry, is inherently sustainable because farmers can decide on the number of animals to feed based on market conditions

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer u always need to predict

Midori-shanghai-designer

We can indirectly believe that aquaculture is actually conducive to wild hunting because of the high demand for farmed animals while reducing the pressure of wild hunting.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Fur farming also minimizes the impact on the environment through other means, such as the use of human food residues for animal feeding; the use of manure as agricultural organic fertilizers; and the conversion of carcasses into biofuels.

Midori-shanghai-designer

and what do you think about it?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer is good start

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Hmmm I guess

Midori-shanghai-designer

Natural fur is one of the most sustainable materials on the planet. It comes from the sustainable production of natural materials, uses rather gentle production processes, and ultimately makes durable and recyclable garments that provide decades of warmth. After being comfortable, it will eventually be fully biodegraded.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Of course, I know what you are thinking: The truth about natural fur (Truth About Fur website) promotes natural fur, so it is not surprising that we praise it.

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

what about the use of artificial fur?

Midori-shanghai-designer

Although artificial leather is considered to be friendly to animals, its production process and non-recyclable and non-degradable properties are also indirectly harmful to the environment .@Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Christine-Shanghai-Group founder

to get fur farm animals is also a solution for ecology system.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Alena~Shanghai~AGL we are getting more and more sustainable which is a good direction

Midori-shanghai-designer

These chemical fiber garments will be sent to landfills when they are abandoned. The resulting tiny plastic particles will then damage our oceans.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

i have a PLA based poly bag is my office and is biodegradable but…getting thinner and thinner every time I show people.

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

that’s interesting

Midori-shanghai-designer

But if the clothing material we produce has a high durability of 3-5 years, it may reduce the degradation pressure.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I see

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

PLA is from corn starch and if everything turns into PLA then will compete with our food source…means more farmland?

Midori-shanghai-designer

@Vincent-shanghai-Incubator  interesting

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer so how do brands have a sustainable business model?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

sustainability is not just environmental impact and working condition

Midori-shanghai-designer

Does the brand do the recycling of this part of the sustainable business model like h&m

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer they certainly can

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

i am going send my scrap polyester fabrics to recyclers to make recycled polyester yarns

Midori-shanghai-designer

But not many brands have the same ability to handle these used clothes as they do with H & M.

Midori-shanghai-designer

about the topic How to get fur into sustainable fashion my conclusion is

  1. Natural furs from wild hunting and farming are sustainable
  2. Finding new ways to produce textiles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Discussion of the original text:

Midori-shanghai-designer

How to get fur into sustainable fashion(30min)

Midori-shanghai-designer

What is fur?(10min)

Midori-shanghai-designer

By nature

Midori-shanghai-designer

Fur is the hair covering of non-human (and some human furry) mammals,

particularly those mammals with extensive body hair that is soft and thick.

The stiffer bristles on animals such as pigs are not generally referred to as fur.

Midori-shanghai-designer

like this

Midori-shanghai-designer

Fur is also used to refer to animal pelts which has been processed into leather with the hair still attached. The words fur or furry are also used, more casually, to refer to hair-like growths or formations, particularly When the subject is referred to exhibits a dense coat of fine, soft “hairs”.

Midori-shanghai-designer

If layered, rather than grown as a single coat, it may consist of short down hairs, long guard hairs, and in some cases, medium awn hairs.

 

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Ok,that is very complex

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Very detailed

Midori-shanghai-designer

Our topic Fur refers to the use of animal fur made of clothing ,has a warm effect.

Yohanna

Now many brands use artificial fur

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Seems that any fur could be made into cloth?

Midori-shanghai-designer

and now the fur is more beautiful and higher prices are also many consumers . Animals such as foxes , rex rabbits , and sheep are all major sources of raw materials for fur.

Midori-shanghai-designer

So let’s start the next ~

Midori-shanghai-designer

Production of genuine fur (20min)

Midori-shanghai-designer

Fur clothing was first worn during the fourteenth to seventh and is a symbolic garment in European History

Midori-shanghai-designer

There are many kinds of fur classification methods ,which can be divided in to early maturity ,middle maturity ,late maturity and most advanced maturity according to the mature period of the hair.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Means how old the animal is when you kill it?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer  cool

Midori-shanghai-designer

So we’ll sort it out according to the way the hair is treated.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

But I will say human like native Indians , Vikings ,and other wear fur for sake of keeping warm .

Midori-shanghai-designer

What kind of fur do you know ?

Midori-shanghai-designer

The need for warmth.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

How is it with the maturity?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I’m interested

Midori-shanghai-designer

No , we’re not talking about skin removal.

Midori-shanghai-designer

According to the processing methods, they can be classified into the tanned, dyeing and finishing classes, shearing Class.

  • According to the appearance characteristics can be divided into thick fur, represented by fox skin; medium-thick fur, represented by molting; thin fur, represented by Persian lambskin.
  • It is more commonly used by people to classify them by the fur and the cortex of the raw material.
  • Small hairy skins: mainly include purple mink, chinchilla (Chrysanthemum, also known as Chrysanthemum) mink skin, mink skin, sea dragon skin, snow fleas, yellow skin, AI tiger skin, chin rat skin, silver skin, Musk skin, beaver skin, raccoon skin, etc.,
  • hair is thin and soft. Suitable for hair caps, coats and so on. Large capillary class: mainly including foxes, raccoon skins, tanned skins, raccoon skins, and raccoon skins. Larger picture. It is often used to make hats, coats, capes, etc.
  • Rough fur: Commonly used sheepskin, dog skin, wolf skin, leopard skin, marmot skin and so on. The hair length and width are slightly larger. Can be used to make hats, coats, vests, clothes, etc.
  • Miscellaneous fur: including cat skin, rabbit skin, etc., suitable for clothing accessories, the price is lower.

Midori-shanghai-designer

That’s my classification of the leather used in clothing.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Do you have another question of fur?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Do you have some pictures ?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Seadragon skin for example…I can’t really imagine how it looks like

Midori-shanghai-designer

the picture is from sinaweibo

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

Raccoon is popular

Midori-shanghai-designer

This is the Sea dragon skin made for coat

Midori-shanghai-designer

What kind of products do raccoons usually use ? @Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

What animal is it?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer fur collar

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

No way!

Midori-shanghai-designer

This is Seadragon

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

or around the hood  @Alena~Shanghai~AGL damn…how do they hunt these guys down

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I guess it is the same like seals

Midori-shanghai-designer

Seadog skin, commonly known as “sea dragon skin”@Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I had no idea they are used for fur to be honest.

Midori-shanghai-designer

So the use of real leather is cruel.

Midori-shanghai-designer

The next~

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Indeed!

Midori-shanghai-designer

The application of fur in the clothing industry.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Well yes.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

The clothing it is just for greed

Enya.Y-Shanghai-PJ

Oh my god,I really cannot imagine that

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

It doesn’t have anything to do with staying warm as they have been other materials invented

Midori-shanghai-designer

Let’s take a look at the history of fur use.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Fur clothing was first worn during the fourteenth to seventh century and is a symbolic garment in European History. The kings and queens of England ordered proclamations to regulate fur aka “sumptuary legislation”.

  • Sumptuary legislation established the stigmatism of Fur association limited to the higher social statuses and convey the idea of exclusivity.
  • Exotic furs such as fox, marten, grey squirrel and ermine were reserved for aristocratic elites. The middle class were known to wear fox, hare and beaver while the less fortunate wore Goat, wolf and sheepskin. Due to clothing being loose and garments were known to be layered, fur was used for visible linings. Different kinds of fur were worn during seasons and social classes. Animals with fur decreased in West Europe and began to be Imported from the Middle East and Russia

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

So it is a historical issue right

Midori-shanghai-designer

The fur at first was used as clothing for the royal family.

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Because of its scarcity?

Midori-shanghai-designer

So only noble people wear fur.

Sailinli-Beijing-Researcher

In ancient China fur was also graded.

Enya.Y-Shanghai-PJ

Represent the power.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Because of the natural warmth of fur and the complexity of making clothes.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Of course ,in ancient hunting ,the fur of a hunted animal was worn as a symbol of victory.

Midori-shanghai-designer

@Enya.Y-Shanghai-PJ   A little symbol of power.

Midori-shanghai-designer

As new kinds of fur entered Europe, other uses were made with fur other than clothing. Beaver was most desired but used to make hats which became a popular headpiece particularly during the wartime. Swedish soldier wore broad-brimmed hats made exclusive from beaver felt. Due to the limitations of beaver fur, hat-makers relied heavily on North America for imports as beaver was only available in the Scandinavian peninsula.

 

Midori-shanghai-designer

this is beaver

Enya.Y-Shanghai-PJ

So Cruel

Midori-shanghai-designer

The twentieth century was the beginning of the fur coats being fashionable in West Europe with full fur coats. With lifestyle changes as a result of developments like indoor heating, the international textile trade Affected how fur was distributed around the world. Europeans focused on using local resources giving fur association with femininity with the increasing use of mink. In 1970, Germany was the world’s largest fur market. The International Fur Trade Federation banned endangering species furs like silk monkey, ocelot, leopard, tiger, and polar bear in 1975. The use of animal skins were brought to light during the 1980s by animal right organizations and the demand for fur decreased. Anti-fur organizations increased awareness of the controversy between animal welfare and fashion. Fur farming became banned in Britain in 1999. During the twenty-first century, fox and mink have been bred in captivity with Denmark, Holland and Finland being leaders of mink production.

 

Midori-shanghai-designer

In addition to the fur applications mentioned above ,do you know of other fur applications?

Midori-shanghai-designer

Now there are wool ,fox hair are used to make cloth

Midori-shanghai-designer

These furs are usually used in sweater ,sand down jackets

Midori-shanghai-designer

Do you know how to tell a hairy garment?

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

By burning?

Midori-shanghai-designer

right~

Midori-shanghai-designer

Then smell it~

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Just like distinct different fabrics ,does different fur has different smell?

Midori-shanghai-designer

Because there is a lot of wool-like clothing now , it’s not realistic to burn it alone , for the general public.

Midori-shanghai-designer

True wool contains a lot of protein ,and a few fibers are ignited on the clothes . Smell the scent .Look at the ash .If there is a charred scent ,the ash is crushed with a finger ,that is pure wool ;if there is no smell of charred feathers ,Ash pressure is not broken ,ag glomeration , it is chemical fiber fabrics. @Heather-Wuhan-AGL

 

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Thank you.

Midori-shanghai-designer

And I don’t know how to distinguish other furs.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

That’s interesting

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer a lot of recycled wool also in the market

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

And also have recycled duck down

Midori-shanghai-designer

Wow the recycled duck down?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

yep

Midori-shanghai-designer

Use it to make Down jacket ?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

yep

Midori-shanghai-designer

And the duvet quilt?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

yep

Midori-shanghai-designer

How do you recycle and reuse duck down?

Midori-shanghai-designer

Is the way of recycling complicated? @Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

u collect used down jacket

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

i dont know the detail method

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

but i know people who does that

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

and there is also US companies supplied recycled down

Midori-shanghai-designer

Okay .but thank you to tell us that method~

Midori-shanghai-designer

I’ll share some of your common fur care tips.

Enya.Y-Shanghai-PJ

Thank u

Midori-shanghai-designer

When placed indoors, for fur clothes

1.It is best to hang in a dark, low temperature, well ventilated, dry environment.

2.Fur garments should be hung on special hangers with high-necked, wide-shouldered shoulders, and covered with a silk cover, and stored in a closet with air circulation.

3.There should be at least 6 cm space between the fur and other clothes to allow the fur to “breathe”.

4.Do not contaminate fur with other chemicals.5. In the summer, special attention should be paid to avoid high temperature and humidity and insect ant damage.

Midori-shanghai-designer

High-grade fur cleaning (mink skin).

Washing powder: Magnesium oxide powder, talcum powder ratio 1:1

Washing method: Spread the fur on the wash case, evenly rub the quilt with a sponge duster, wipe the special soiled part repeatedly, stand for 24 hours, clean the hair powder with a brush, and then put the fur on the portrait on the air mold, the powder was blown clean with an air spray gun, and the hair was straightened with a fine-tooth comb.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Ordinary fur cleaning (sheep skin).

Washing solvent: 95% alcohol Common dose: Alcohol 200-250ml

Washing powder: Talc powder Common dosage: Talc 500-1000g

Washing method: Put the fur on the figure air mold, spray the alcohol solvent evenly onto the blanket with an air spray gun, repeatedly rub the hair quilt with a sponge duster, supplement with a gentle rubbing, sweep the hair with a brush Powder, and then use air spray gun to clean the powder, with a sparse comb to the hair to be straight forward to clear the finishing.

Midori-shanghai-designer

White plush yellowing treatment.

Washing solution: hydrogen peroxide, water ratio 1:10

Washing method: Put the fur on the figure air mold, spray the solution evenly onto the blanket with an air spray gun, fully wet for 5 minutes, gently brush with a short-haired brushing solution from top to bottom, and finally use a water spray gun to coat the hair. Rinse thoroughly, place in a cool, dry place, and clean the hair in a straight line.

Midori-shanghai-designer

These are the methods of care and washing for the kinds of furs we wear on a daily basis.

Midori-shanghai-designer

If you don’t have any questions about this, let’s move on to the next topic, which may be of interest to you.

Midori-shanghai-designer

The application of fur in society.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Since the application of dermis involves the killing of animals, how do you think about this problem? (30 min)

Midori-shanghai-designer

Some people indiscriminately kill wild animals in the drive of their interests, leaving some rare wild animals on the verge of extinction,anyone agree that?

Midori-shanghai-designer

With the increase of human morality and civilization, the concept of environmental protection has received more and more attention. Fur and environmental protection have become the subject of constant controversy. What do you think?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

sustainable sourcing

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

can real fur sourcing be ethical and sustainable?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Well I guess everybody agree

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

That’s what is going on

Midori-shanghai-designer

That’s what’s at issue.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Fur is so unnecessary

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I don’t think so

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

As long as it means killing a living creature

Midori-shanghai-designer

also,fur used a lot of chemicals in the production process for degreasing and cleaning, such as formaldehyde. Damage to the surrounding water quality and the environment. This is contrary to the current concept of low-carbon environmental protection.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

fur has been part of humanity society since early homo sapiens.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

And there have been so many leaked videos about the conditions of the animals.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

so no real fur will be change of our mindset

Midori-shanghai-designer

Besides, if you don’t have real fur, will you be wearing fur imitation clothes?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Yes, but back then the fur was used for survival reasons

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

keep warmth

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Yes

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

fur is excellent on this

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Of course

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

like duck or Goose down

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

also wool is a superior fiber

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

But aren’t other materials now very good in keeping us warm as well?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

not as good

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

down is breathable

Midori-shanghai-designer

But will the production of imitation fur also cause pollution to the environment?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Yes it will

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Now there is a question what is better

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

In terms of protecting the environment

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

all those polyester based padding doesnt breath so well and not easy to have same level of warmth but technology is improving

Midori-shanghai-designer

Some people have suggested that “for a piece of clothing, whether or not animals should be given a cruel price,” so-called no-buy, no harm, how consumers should take action.

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

It depends much on consumers’ attitude

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

we should focus on low impact on the environment and longevity of the product

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

So , whatever we do we impact the environment as little as possible for sustainable living for mankind @Alena~Shanghai~AGL reused

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Can fur be recycled?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

for sure

Midori-shanghai-designer

So,inrecentyears,manybrandshavecalledforaboycottoffur.Doesthiswork So, in recent years, many brands have called for a boycott of fur. Does this work?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer when u boycott . somebody somewhere may Lose their job

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Doesn’t it get bad with age

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Alena~Shanghai~AGL depends on your care

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

just think low impact

Midori-shanghai-designer

yep~~

Midori-shanghai-designer

so,how to get fur into sustainable fashion (30min)

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

everyone do their part… step by step approach

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

reuse old fur

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

yes,especially farm consumers,every one of us

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

use fur that related to food industry?

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

How?

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

You use the fur of the animals that is used for food industry…

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Heather-Wuhan-AGL not sure i am not familiar

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

?

Midori-shanghai-designer

Finding new ways to produce textiles

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Also an option

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Alena~Shanghai~AGL yea that can have lower impact

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

True

Midori-shanghai-designer

Different ways of producing and processing materials means that they have different effects on the environment. As we all know, there are risks in the production of petroleum compounds, such as the pollution from the chemical refining process to the toxic chemicals emitted during the production of chemical fiber fabrics. However, there are deficiencies in each fabric, including organic fabrics. For example, traditional methods of cotton cultivation use large amounts of water, synthetic fertilizers, and pesticides, which also destroy the habitat of wild animals. In the case of agricultural farming, waste treatment also needs to be considered. Another consideration is the environmental impact of raw materials and garments. Clothing entirely produced and sold locally has less impact on the environment than garments produced and sold in multiple locations, such as the production of chemical fiber garments, oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, processing into fabrics in China, sewing in Vietnam, and then selling in Europe.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

But there wouldn’t be sufficient supply

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

yeah

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

price would go up and more ppl would enter

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

And there we go again

Midori-shanghai-designer

sorry,this is too long

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

There should be only a law enforcement

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

and may lead to more animal getting killed

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Alena~Shanghai~AGL u know what this leads to hahah

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Haha

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Sure

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Viciouscircl

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Circle

Midori-shanghai-designer

Some people think that farmed fur is also environmentally friendly

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

sustainable living for mankind and sustainable economic growth

Midori-shanghai-designer

Materials can be divided into two categories: organic materials (plants and animals) and inorganic materials (coal, petroleum, ore, etc.).

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I just wish there weren’t those Russian fur farms where the skin the animals alive and leave them to die

Midori-shanghai-designer

Organic materials are sustainable because they can be regenerated; plants and animals can continue to grow and can be continuously replenished. Common in clothing are cotton, linen, bamboo, wool, natural fur, down and leather. Inorganic materials are not sustainable because they cannot be regenerated; once they are consumed, they really disappear, unless more inorganic materials can be found. Important inorganic materials used in chemical fiber clothing are synthesized from petroleum such as acrylic and polyester.

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

@Alena~Shanghai~AGL yeah,that’s the most cruel part

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer goes back to sustainable farming

Midori-shanghai-designer

yep

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

controlled forest

Midori-shanghai-designer

Natural fur farming, like other animal husbandry, is inherently sustainable because farmers can decide on the number of animals to feed based on market conditions

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer u always need to predict

Midori-shanghai-designer

We can indirectly believe that aquaculture is actually conducive to wild hunting because of the high demand for farmed animals while reducing the pressure of wild hunting.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Fur farming also minimizes the impact on the environment through other means, such as the use of human food residues for animal feeding; the use of manure as agricultural organic fertilizers; and the conversion of carcasses into biofuels.

Midori-shanghai-designer

and what do you think about it?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer is good start

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Hmmm I guess

Midori-shanghai-designer

Natural fur is one of the most sustainable materials on the planet. It comes from the sustainable production of natural materials, uses rather gentle production processes, and ultimately makes durable and recyclable garments that provide decades of warmth. After being comfortable, it will eventually be fully biodegraded.

Midori-shanghai-designer

Of course, I know what you are thinking: The truth about natural fur (Truth About Fur website) promotes natural fur, so it is not surprising that we praise it.

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

what about the use of artificial fur?

Midori-shanghai-designer

Although artificial leather is considered to be friendly to animals, its production process and non-recyclable and non-degradable properties are also indirectly harmful to the environment .@Heather-Wuhan-AGL

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Is there any other solution then getting sustainable!

Christine-Shanghai-Group founder

true. no perfect leather

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer they are making bio based leather

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

like modern meadows

Christine-Shanghai-Group founder

to get fur farm animals is also a solution for ecology system.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Alena~Shanghai~AGL we are getting more and more sustainable which is a good direction

Midori-shanghai-designer

These chemical fiber garments will be sent to landfills when they are abandoned. The resulting tiny plastic particles will then damage our oceans.

Christine-Shanghai-Group founder

yes.

Midori-shanghai-designer

@Vincent-shanghai-Incubator  Is this biodegradable?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer well i dont see this a long term solution

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

people r working towards solving problems by having less landfills

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer not sure how long will take for fully biodegradable

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

compose is not a good solution cause not long lasting

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

i have a PLA based poly bag is my office and is biodegradable but…getting thinner and thinner every time I show people.

Heather-Wuhan-AGL

that’s interesting

Midori-shanghai-designer

But if the clothing material we produce has a high durability of 3-5 years, it may reduce the degradation pressure.

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

I see

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

PLA is from corn starch and if everything turns into PLA then will compete with our food source…means more farmland?

Midori-shanghai-designer

@Vincent-shanghai-Incubator  interesting

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer so how do brands have a sustainable business model?

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

sustainability is not just environmental impact and working condition

Midori-shanghai-designer

Does the brand do the recycling of this part of the sustainable business model like h&m

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer they certainly can

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

i am going send my scrap polyester fabrics to recyclers to make recycled polyester yarns

Midori-shanghai-designer

But not many brands have the same ability to handle these used clothes as they do with H & M.

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer is not that hard

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

if any local brands want to do it i can help

Midori-shanghai-designer

@Vincent-shanghai-Incubator -shanghai-Incubator expect that

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

@Midori-shanghai-designer h&m outsource this to another company I collect

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

as long as u have the mindset to take the initiate step

Midori-shanghai-designer

I learned. Your offer was good .@Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

key is take 1st step and collaborate

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

Wow

Alena~Shanghai~AGL

That’s interesting @Vincent-shanghai-Incubator

Midori-shanghai-designer

about the topic How to get fur into sustainable fashion my conclusion is

  1. Natural furs from wild hunting and farming are sustainable
  2. Finding new ways to produce textiles

thanks to join in the discussion!

 

 

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